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  • in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19175
    Taffymat
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    Oliver,

    Sorry, I meant to ask you also if you’d had any experience or suggestions for removing a section of keel strip?
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Cheers,  Matt</p>

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19174
    Taffymat
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    Thanks Oliver,

    I had no idea the GP was launched at Aberdyfi. That was actually going to be one of my first destinations with it!

    I’ve got a week off next week, so hopefully I’ll make some good progress.

    Matt

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19173
    Taffymat
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    Chris,

    Any tips for removing a section of the keel? I’ve been back to the boat tonight and scraped away a little. Theres a suspicious looking repair that I’d like to take a look at.

    Would a simple straight but joint be ok, as it will be backed up on the hog? I’m thinking of cutting it at the centreboard slot, and working 400mm forward. I cant see any screws from inside because of the mast step etc.

    Thanks, Matt.

     

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19171
    Taffymat
    Participant

    Thanks Chris.

    I agree its far easier to do these two large patches than several smaller repairs.

    My only concern at the minute is how to curve the ply down onto the chine towards the bow. I thought I’d managed to avoid the worst of the curvature.

    I’m rather enjoying the project more than I thought too.

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19167
    Taffymat
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    Ok… so I took the plunge today!!!

    Scary stuff!!

    Bottom panels removed. ?

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    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19143
    Taffymat
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    Thanks Oliver..

    Hopefully the pics worked this time. Hopefully you approve of works so far.

    I know of a commercial paint company, i use through work, so I may give them a call about stripper tomorrow. Ill revert back to Nitromors tho if needed. Glad to hear it’ll not likely harm the epoxy. Seems a waste to strip it all off.

    I’ve also got one of the tungsten pull-scrapers. Fantastic bit of kit.

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    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19141
    Taffymat
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    A little update for you guys…. I’ve stripped the top deck, and applied epoxy. Shes looking better already.

    I’m going to turn her upside down this week, and start on the bottom.

    Anybody know if it’s ok to use to paint stripper to remove the paint on the underside? The underside has already been deposited, and I’d rather not remove the epoxy that with the heat gun. The paint is failing with solvent pop. That’s why I want to remove it. I assume the stripper wont damage the epoxy?

    I’m trying to figure out how to add pics!

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19092
    Taffymat
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    Oliver,

    Thank you yet again. Your suggestion of a simpler joint is greatly welcomed. I was concerned about the feasibility of a uniform scarf joint in situ.

    My initial thoughts of making the scarf joint midway on a frame, was in order to screw through the joint, and into the frame as a means of clamping it together and forming the correct shape.

    I could actually move slightly farther towards the stern, and make a lap joint with a backing piece. The hull has less shape here, so it would be a simpler task. A 75mm x 6mm ply backing strip would be ok, I think?

    Can I ask, is there somewhere I am able to find some guidelines as to what an acceptable minimum bonding surface width would be? Say X times material thickness?

    Thanks again

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19072
    Taffymat
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    Thanks Chris, I’ll get ash laths made for the bilge keeps then?

    Does Obeche look similar to ash? The interior stringers look like ash to me? But they could well be obeche if it looks similar?

    Fillets only, great stuff. Less work for me!?

    I’ll definitely check everywhere for moisture..

     

    How do I know if I have mast step conversion already?

     

    Cheers, Matt.

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19068
    Taffymat
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    Thank you so far to everybody for your help.

    I have just completed a membership form, as clearly this website, and you guys are going to be massively helpful to me moving forward! I really appreciate your help.

    Can I please run through my repair plan of MK1 (12960) wooden hull, and see if anybody has anything to improve or object to? It’s a bit longwinded sorry!!

    I intend to replace the floor section from frame 2(mast foot), through to frame 7 (8ft in length)

    1- Get boat under-cover, lay 2 car tyres on the floor alongside boat, and using a helper roll boat onto it’s side, then fully over into inverted position. Support the upturned hull in several places on blocks & stands.

    2- Cut old ply bottom out alongside keel strip (keel strip seems to be epoxied into place. I think a lot of damage will occur if I try to remove it?). This should leave approx 25mm of hog exposed in order to attach new ply base to.

    3- Mark position of frames underneath the hull. Remove any screws, use a router to remove the ply thickness and epoxy down to the frame below.

    4- Use the router with edge guide to machine away the ply base, up to the chine edge. Remove the plywood bottom. Strip varnish from sides of chine strip, hog, and frames.

    5- Repair any damaged frames with sapele scarfed & epoxied into place. Replace the stringer along the 8ft length each side with new “obeche” timber to same dimensions, scarfed & epoxied into place. Replace external rubbing strakes “bilge keels?” with new timber “ash or obeche?”

    6- Prepare an 8:1 scarf joint midway across the frames no2 & no7.

    7- Coat plywood in Epoxy internally & externally. Epoxy and stainless screw the new 6mm “Robbins elite” plywood hull bottom into place using scarfed & epoxied joints at frame no2 & no7, these scarfed joints are then screwed into centre of frames.

    8- Epoxy tape any joints onto frames, keel, hog, and the exterior of the chine.

    9- Paint it, re-assemble it and enjoy it?

     

    Any suggestions, or critique are gratefully received! 🙂

    Many thanks again

    Matt

     

     

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    in reply to: Crazy idea? #19062
    Taffymat
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    Thanks Chris. I’m a bit far away from Bristol. I’m over in North Wales, I’m going to call around and see if I can find a knowledgeable local supplier.

    I’m also going to direct my comments to my original thread,  as it’s gonna get confusing if I keep the two going.

    Cheers

    Matt

     

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    in reply to: Crazy idea? #19059
    Taffymat
    Participant

    Ok…  you guys win! Haha.

    I’ve actually had a stroke of luck today. I’ve managed to arrange some indoor space to work on the wooden hull. So my original plan of replacing the bottom continues!

    Quick couple of questions if I may?

    Are the hull stringers and rubbing stakes usually made from ash timber? As I’ll likely need to source these in advance, ready to replace them.

    Marine ply or Birch ply for the bottom? All the marine hardwood plywood at 6mm seem to only be made from 3 plys. 2x thin veneer, with a thicker solid core. This material seems hard wearing, but also difficult to bend? Or do I need to find a different supplier?

    Thanks again for your help.

    Matt

     

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 3 months ago by Taffymat.
    in reply to: Crazy idea? #19057
    Taffymat
    Participant

    Thanks everybody..

    I’m really struggling with making this decision.

    My limiting factor of repairing the wooden hull is indoor space. I originally planned to erect a small polytunnel in my garden to do the work. However, because I live within a world heritage site, I will now need to apply for planning permission, which bumps the repair bill up considerably.

    I’m  going to view the GRP hull tomorrow, I’m also going to explore some more indoor working ideas.

    I agree with your comment about the wooden hull being a thing of beauty once sorted.

    Thanks again

    Matt

    in reply to: Crazy idea? #19047
    Taffymat
    Participant

    Chris,

    Thanks for that. I’m still a little torn myself to be honest. Cruising and pottering about sounds perfect though. It’s a pastime I do with my 8yr old daughter.

    I’m definitely going to give both hulls some serious thought, I’m assuming that it is just a case of swapping parts over if it came to it?

    in reply to: Replace plywood bottom #19045
    Taffymat
    Participant

    Steve,
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>That’s really helpful thanks. I’ve also today been offered a grp hull only as a quick fix. Is that a feasible swap do you know? i.e. swap mast and all fittings over?</p>
    Cheers

    Matt

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